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2 months 4 days ago #12754 by Peter Heckert
Problem installing Big IDE on Win7 32 Bit. was created by Peter Heckert
Hello to you all. I am new in this forum.

First thank you very much for Codetyphon.
I am running it on an Atlon Phenom 6 core 64 BIt Windows 10 Computer at home
and so far without any problem. I was programming professionally 25 years ago
using Borland Pascal. Then when windows appeared and Delphi was so expensive
I stopped this and went back to my main job, which is Industrial electronics.

Now I am playing around with Codetyphon and this is fun and I am impressed.
Eventually I use it professional for control of hardware test equipment.
Thats my plan.

I failed to install big IDE on a an Intel Xeon Computer, 4GB physical RAM, about 6GB
virtual and running Windows 7 32 Bit.
I tried it several times and always I get the same result as shown below.
Yesterday I did an update and hoped to get CT6.60 but still got 6.50.
The medium big IDE works, but then CHM Help is not compiled.

For sure I will try it again later, but this needs some time and I fear to get
the same result again.
It always fails with an exception out-of Memory in PASCALSCADA.

Possibly somebody knows the problen and can give a hint?

TIA,

Peter


C:\codetyphon\typhon\ide\ct_main.pp(13057,10) Note: (6058) Call to subroutine "f
unction GetDebugLogger:TLazLogger;" marked as inline is not inlined
C:\codetyphon\typhon\ide\ct_main.pp(13612,19) Warning: (5033) Function result do
es not seem to be set
C:\codetyphon\typhon\ide\ct_main.pp(13699,3) Note: (6058) Call to subroutine "fu
nction GetDebugLogger:TLazLogger;" marked as inline is not inlined
C:\codetyphon\typhon\components\pl_PascalSCADA\lib\i386-win32\win32\hmicombobox.
ppu:hmicombobox.pas(53,10) Error: (1026) Compilation raised exception internally

Fatal: (1009) No memory left
Error: C:\codetyphon\fpc\fpc32\bin\i386-win32\ppc386.exe returned an error exitc
ode
make[2]: *** [Makefile:4171: typhon.exe] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon/ide'
make[1]: *** [Makefile:4593: ide] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon/ide'
make: *** [Makefile:3286: ide] Error 2
make: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon'
Error: (IDE) IDE erstellen: stopped with exit code 2
Error: (TyphonBuild) Building IDE: Building IDE failed.

C:\codetyphon\typhon\*.exe konnte nicht gefunden werden

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[ERROR]: Typhon32 BIG-IDE NOT Build
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????


[INFO]: Skip 64bit actions, this is 32 bits system...


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CodeTyphon Studio 6.50 Setup for Windows32
Settings: Platform=Win32/64 Multiarch Mode=0
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0) Install System Libraries
1) Run CodeTyphon Center (CTC)

11) -- Platform (widget) Setup
12) -- Multi-Architecture Setup

3) Remove FreePascal
4) Remove and Build FreePascal

5) Remove Typhon IDE
6) Remove and Build Typhon IDE

7) Remove ALL
8) Remove and Build ALL

9) EXIT

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2 months 4 days ago - 2 months 4 days ago #12756 by Sternas Stefanos
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Thanks Sir
ALL these problems are from low PC physical Memory (RAM).
Windows 32 bits can only "handle" 2-3Gbytes of RAM
FreePascal from version 2.7.1 request a lot of memory to build Typhon32 Big IDE (1.8 Gbytes)

The only suggestion is to Build Typhon32 Small IDE or Typhon32 Medium IDE
and then to load at Typhon32 IDE as many Packages your PC RAM can handle.

Typhon64 don't have these problems if you have RAM >= 4 Gbytes

PS: Please try and CT 6.60

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2 months 4 days ago - 2 months 4 days ago #12758 by Peter Heckert
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Thank you Sir.

I do not really need the big IDE but would like to have the CHM Help installed.
The medium IDE will do it.
I deleted everything, downloaded CT 6.60 and same result.
This time at Orca. Not a big problem as I dont need orca.

Edit:
Ok, here is another idea:
Can I compile this on by home-computer (8GB) and the copy the executables
to the 32Bit computer that I must use at work?

I think I can solve this. The following is just for information.
Possibly others try the same.

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C:\codetyphon\typhon\ide\ct_main.pp(13967,3) Note: (6058) Call to subroutine "fu
nction GetDebugLogger:TLazLogger;" marked as inline is not inlined
C:\codetyphon\typhon\components\pl_ORCA3D\lib\i386-win32\win32\orca_scene3d.ppu:
orca_scene3d.pas(53,10) Error: (1026) Compilation raised exception internally
Fatal: (1009) No memory left
Error: C:\codetyphon\fpc\fpc32\bin\i386-win32\ppc386.exe returned an error exitc
ode
make[2]: *** [Makefile:4172: typhon.exe] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon/ide'
make[1]: *** [Makefile:4594: ide] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon/ide'
make: *** [Makefile:3287: ide] Error 2
make: Leaving directory 'C:/codetyphon/typhon'
Error: (IDE) IDE erstellen: stopped with exit code 2
Error: (TyphonBuild) Building IDE: Building IDE failed.

C:\codetyphon\typhon\*.exe konnte nicht gefunden werden

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[ERROR]: Typhon32 BIG-IDE NOT Build
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????


[INFO]: Skip 64bit actions, this is 32 bits system...


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CodeTyphon Studio 6.60 Setup for Windows32
Settings: Platform=Win32/64 Multiarch Mode=0
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2 months 4 days ago #12759 by Sternas Stefanos
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Can I compile this on by home-computer (8GB) and the copy the executables
to the 32Bit computer that I must use at work?


Yes Sir

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2 months 3 days ago - 2 months 3 days ago #12761 by Bobi
I was make successfully this up to Ct 6.50. Now on Ct 6.60 Win XP give me error in .dll that has not need function ended with "w" and do not started. Now I go back to 6.50
I made full install on Win 10x64 with 4GB RAM with integrated video - 3.5GB really used by Windows.
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2 months 3 days ago - 2 months 3 days ago #12762 by Sternas Stefanos
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Guys

1) CodeTyphon don't support Windows XP, we don't have this OS to our LAB any more.

2) My suggestion: please, buy a new PC with minimum 8 Gbytes RAM.

3) A screen from our LAB WorkStation-4 PC

-2x Xeon E5 V4 (2x16 Cores, 64 Logical processors)
-2x Crucial 32GB DDR4 ECC CL17 2400MHz (CT4K8G4RFD824A)
-ASUS Z10PE-D8 WS
-Samsung 950 Pro MZ-V5P512BW
-Palit GTX1070 8GB JetStream
-iiyama ProLite X4071UHSU-B1 (4K 3840x2160 pixels)
-etc





The minimum PC in our LAB (4x) has CPU AMD Athlon with 4 cores / 8 Gbytes RAM / 120Gbytes SSD

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2 months 2 days ago - 2 months 2 days ago #12763 by Peter Heckert
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Wow that is nice!
I plan to get a second monitor. (More affordable)
The company where I work still uses Windows 2000 at places where only a small computer is needed.
I have already tested if software compiled with Typhon runs there. (It does)
However, these cheap Testing computers should be replaced against an Rasberry, in my Opinion...
But I am not the Boss, I dont have to make the decision and dont have the money.
;-)
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2 months 1 day ago - 2 months 1 day ago #12771 by Sternas Stefanos
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Raspberry it's very very slow, (we have 2x Pi3 in our Lab)
and has many OS problems, like any Arm(64) board...

Look for "pico-ATX" or "nano-ATX" PC

My opinion: if ARM architecture remain as is,
soon will "die" like many others CPU architectures.
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2 months 1 day ago #12772 by Peter Heckert
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Ok thank you.
I only wanted to say, I target smaller computers.
And Typhon opens up all possibilities.
I do not pretend to be a master programmer.
If you develop testing software, using IO cards and ADCs then it is
much more important to know the DUT (device under test) than to be a master programmer.
I need a RAD environment because I can make user interfaces as quick as in Labview.
So I choose Typhon. ;-)

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1 month 4 weeks ago - 1 month 4 weeks ago #12780 by Peter Heckert
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Sir,
probably you are right and these pico ITX and nano ITX (not ATX) are better for my needs and more powerful.
So, thank you!

I do however not think, ARM will vanish in the mobile and embedded segment.
ARM is made by many vendors and in many flavours and it has the best MIPS/milliwatt ratio among all CPUs.
Also the chips are smaller and cheaper than Intel.

Now, this does probably not belong here.

I have a propososal:
So far I have seen the chmviewer is not built, when the compilation aborts and the big IDE is not built.
Especially for beginners like me, who would prefer the small or medium IDE it would be helpful if the chm help is installed always.
Or, at least the viewer should be built always.

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1 month 4 weeks ago #12783 by Sternas Stefanos
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Peter Heckert wrote: Sir,
.....

I have a propososal:
So far I have seen the chmviewer is not built, when the compilation aborts and the big IDE is not built.
Especially for beginners like me, who would prefer the small or medium IDE it would be helpful if the chm help is installed always.
Or, at least the viewer should be built always.

Thanks,


For these cases we have CTCenter => Typhon-IDE => Build ALL IDE Tools


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1 month 3 weeks ago #12811 by Bobi

Sternas Stefanos wrote: Raspberry it's very very slow, (we have 2x Pi3 in our Lab)
and has many OS problems, like any Arm(64) board...

Look for "pico-ATX" or "nano-ATX" PC

My opinion: if ARM architecture remain as is,
soon will "die" like many others CPU architectures.
..

RPi 3 is low level ARM(64) processor. And this processor is with low memory bandwidth. For good experience is need Cortex A-72+ (up to 75, 76 is promoted) on 2GHz+.
Some like this:
H96 MAX RK3399 4G 32G six core Rockchip Rk3399
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2017-China-manufacturer-H96-MAX-RK3399_60654521331.html
Or HiKey970
[url=https://www.alihttps://www.96boards.org/product/hikey970/baba.com/product-detail/2017-China-manufacturer-H96-MAX-RK3399_60654521331.html]https://www.alihttps://www.96boards.org/product/hikey970/baba.com/product-detail/2017-China-manufacturer-H96-MAX-RK3399_60654521331.html[/url]
In near time and desktop computer will passed to ARM. Apple is close to do.
I believe, what and Ct wil run on it :)
-I was look screenshots from Lazarus.

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